David Grusch Tells Dr. Phil He's Seen Audio-Visual Proof of Alien Craft and Bodies, But I'm Not Buying It Yet

David Grusch just went on Dr. Phil's podcast and dropped some of his biggest claims yet, saying he has personally seen audio-visual evidence of retrieved alien craft and dead alien bodies. This matters because Grusch has been the central figure in the UFO disclosure conversation for years, and if what he's saying is true, it would be one of the biggest stories in human history. But as I'll get into, there are a lot of holes in how this is being rolled out.

Grusch Says He Has Seen Audio-Visual Evidence of Crashed Craft and Dead Alien Cadavers

On Dr. Phil's podcast, Grusch explained that people from what he calls the retrieval program exfiltrated audio-visual evidence for him, both video and photos, of retrieved crafts and what he referred to as dead cadavers recovered from those crafts, which he called the pilots. This lines up with what he told Nancy Mace in a previous interview. He admitted it's very hard to deduce the origin of these craft because we don't know exactly what point in space or time they came from, but said there are different types of pilots and different types of craft involved.

I pointed out that Grusch hinted at this back in June, which is allegedly when he first found this information out, and now he's back on Dr. Phil talking about it again with everyone buzzing about it. From what I remember, he had just discovered this stuff around May or June, so it's not like he's been sitting on this information for a long time. That timing feels a little odd to me, that all of a sudden he gets this confirmation and then goes public with it.

My honest reaction is that until I see it, I don't believe it, and that doesn't mean it's not true or that I don't trust Grusch. I'm just hearing some guy on Dr. Phil tell me he's seen alien craft and bodies. My big question is whether he's seeing classified material he's not supposed to see, or how they're showing him this stuff. If it's not classified, why not show it to the American people? And if it is classified and he's not supposed to be seeing it, that's also strange. As I said on the show, "Something is not adding up here."

Grusch Claims Live Aliens Were Detained and Communicated Telepathically With Humans

Dr. Phil asked Grusch directly whether any pilots or occupants of these craft have been taken alive, to which Grusch replied, "Yes, and I know people who have had uh direct interactions um in a detainment uh situation, which sounds very Star Trek and sounds very uh crazy, but it is it is true." He said he talked to a former cabinet member who directly worked the issue for a former vice president, hinting it was someone he called Darth Vader.

When asked if communication was possible, Grusch said yes, describing some sort of consciousness communication that people call telepathy. He said he couldn't explain how it works but confirmed friends of his who were on retrieval teams felt that same kind of communication as they approached a vehicle while cordoning it off and waiting for transport. He admitted it feels very Star Trek to him and that he has no personal experience with anything like it outside of normal human experience.

So according to Grusch in this interview, the US government has recovered craft with live aliens that were then communicated with telepathically, craft with dead alien bodies, and craft with no bodies in them at all, which is a minimum of three types of craft. Grusch has previously claimed there are 25 or more craft in total, and there's separate talk of multiple craft being shot down every year, which raises the question of where all these craft actually are. I also questioned what we're supposedly getting out of this communication, since this is likely where stories about agreements with aliens come from, and Grusch never describes seeing evidence of the communication itself, only that he was told about it.

Grusch Suggests the Phenomenon May Not Be Purely Extraterrestrial

Grusch cautioned against ascribing the whole phenomenon as merely extraterrestrial, saying that's certainly a piece of the pie and likely explains some of it, but that there are other taxonomies of what he called anomalous intelligences. He floated the idea that some of it could be ultraterrestrial, something that grew up on Earth and left before coming back, referencing a shadow biome. He also brought up the idea that advanced intelligence could have developed on the seabed, noting we don't understand 70 percent of our oceans.

Grusch added that he doesn't have all the answers and isn't omnipotent, and doesn't have full exposure to the US government's holdings and analysis, but said we need to be open to different possible origins, none of which he believes conflicts with basic Judeo-Christian theology. He suspects a good portion of this phenomenon is not traditionally extraterrestrial.

My reaction to this part is that it's getting out of hand. Now we've got extraterrestrials, interdimensional beings, time travelers, and ultraterrestrials that have supposedly been here the whole time, as if everything is true at once. It's far more likely that it's just one origin, whatever that is. I think this is the problem with playing in speculation, because we haven't even gotten proof these beings exist before people start theorizing where they come from. I'd rather start with proof that this is real, because that's what gets more people behind the conversation.

Why the Rollout of Grusch's Claims Still Doesn't Add Up

I said Grusch has crossed a line here, not a bad line, but one where there's no going back now that he's claimed to have seen audio-visual proof of beings and craft. My question is where this goes from here unless the actual information comes out. If people behind the scenes are seriously working to get this out to the public, I said I'll hold my breath until it happens, and if they're serious and it's true, they'll be heroes, but if it's not true, they'll be the opposite of heroes.

I also raised the point that Grusch clearly knows where he saw that audio-visual confirmation and who it came from, so why not tell Congress or show it to the president directly. I don't buy that Grusch has access to this confirmation but the president doesn't. I want to know if other people have seen this evidence and weren't convinced by it, because clearly Grusch has been convinced, but that doesn't mean everyone with access has been.

I also pointed out that the Dr. Phil interview appears rehearsed, noting that Dr. Phil used the word cadavers in his question before Grusch used that same word in his answer, suggesting they'd already done a pre-interview and Grusch knew the questions ahead of time. That leaves me asking what the actual point of this interview is, whether it's meant to spark movement in Congress, support UFO disclosure, or something else entirely. As I said, I truly want this to be real, but there are a lot more questions than answers right now.

Do you think David Grusch is being shown real evidence, or is something about this rollout not adding up to you?